In addition to the subject of Hell I'm also going to be talking about what happens when one dies; moreover, I want to discuss the traditions of some people who either died or were "translated" into Heaven before Jesus Christ's resurrection and ascension into Heaven.  As with all of my studies, I want to remind everyone that I could be wrong in my assumptions; therefore, if you can prove "in writing" where I'm in error, I'll post them to this study (I can remove your name if you prefer to remain anonymous) and then I'll make the corrections and place them in this study.  As an old mortgage "broker", I would take the best interest rates and or deals from various banks and put them together into one package and offer them to my clients, I'm doing the same thing in this study. I.e., I'm taking many sources of information from many authors and combining them into one study; thus, I'm not taking credit for all of this work.

 

Both Peter and Jesus are saying when you die you sleep

Since this topic of death is a "foundational" question/truth, let me begin this study with a few key verses plainly explaining what in fact happens when you die:

 Acts 2:29: “Brothers, I can tell you confidently that the patriarch David died and was buried, and his tomb is here to this day. 30: But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that he would place one of his descendants on his throne. 31Seeing what was ahead, he spoke of the resurrection of the Christ that he was not abandoned to the grave, nor did his body see decay. 32: God has raised this Jesus to life, and we are all witnesses of the fact. 33: Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. 34: For David did not ascend to heaven, and yet he said, “‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand 35: until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.”’

Wow, King David is still buried and he did not ascend into Heaven??  Yes, this what the Apostle Peter said, and Luke wrote it down in the book of Acts of the Apostals.  Let's read more what Peter said about King David's death:  Acts 13:36: For when David had served God’s purpose in his own generation, he fell asleep; he was buried with his fathers and his body decayed. 37: But the one whom God raised from the dead did not see decay.

So we can read that Peter calls "sleeping" death; Jesus also calls "sleeping" death - John 11:11: After He had said this, He went on to tell them, our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up. 12: His disciples replied, Lord, if he sleeps, he will get better. 13:Jesus had been speaking of his death, but his disciples thought he meant natural sleep. 14: So then He told them plainly, Lazarus is dead, 15: and for your sake I am glad I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.” 

The Apostle Paul devotes a whole chapter to asserting that the dead will rise. He makes a special point of arguing if Christ did not rise from the dead, then no one else can either. In that case, "they also which are fallen asleep in Christ have perished" (1 Cor. 15:18). Note the implication here: if in this case even the believers in Christ have "perished", how much more those who have not believed! But there is no doubt about it, says Paul: Christ did rise from the dead (see his impressive list of actual witnesses in verses 3-8 of this 15th chapter); and so Christ has "become the first-fruits of them that are asleep" (v. 20). Twice within three verses Paul has described the dead as "asleep". Such is his agreement with Daniel i.e., "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt" (Dan. 12: 2). So right from the beginning we read that NOBODY before Jesus Christ, who has died, has entered into heaven; this also includes the OT, i.e., no one in the OT (who physically died) entered Heaven or Paradise before Jesus Christ (more on this topic later in this study.)

In the remainder of this chapter Paul declares that for the faithful dead there is to be, after their resurrection, a change of nature: "Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God." Our present nature is mortal and corruptible; but when the dead are raised, they are to be "changed": for "this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality". This is the why "death is swallowed up in victory."

The clearest of all utterances of Jesus on this subject is in John 11 where the death and resurrection of Lazarus is recorded. Lazarus was dead -- "asleep", Jesus said but he would go and awaken him out of his sleep. How absurd would such language be from any one other than Jesus.  He assures Martha that her brother shall rise again. This was already Martha's hope, but she knew her hope would not be realized until " the last day", in the day when Israel's Messiah should be revealed and the dead would be raised:

21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died. 22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee. 23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Martha, Mary and Lazarus (also named Simon the Leper) were all disciples of Jesus and Martha remembered exactly what Jesus taught about the resurrection of the dead, i.e., on the "last day" or when Jesus comes back again AFTER He first dies then goes into heaven. Martha knew that her brother was dead (asleep) in the grave.  Jesus thereupon affirmed: "I am the resurrection, and the life, he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live and whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die" (verses 25, 26). This statement leaves no room for doubt or misunderstanding. He was "the Resurrection" - and this He demonstrated by raising Lazarus immediately. What He did to Lazarus then, He will do for all who believe in Him -- He will raise them up from death" at the last day". He is the "Life", and this will be shown in the day of His return when He gives His resurrected people eternal life. If we would focus on the teaching of Jesus on the question of a future life it would not be possible to do so more clearly than in the words of Jesus in his prayer on the eve of his death: "Thou hast given Him power over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as Thou hast given Him" (John 17:2).

 

Many ask me why it is so important to understand this basic concept of when we die we sleep and do not go directly into the presence of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ; here are 4 macro reasons:

Firstly: The Christian’s hope should not be death, but the appearing of Jesus Christ; i.e., when He appears, each Christian who is still alive will exchange his mortal body for a glorious immortal body, and each believer who has died will be raised to glorious and everlasting life.  How sad it is to teach God’s people that there is hope of a Christian in his own death, and how opposed to God’s perspective that death is an “enemy,” as 1 Corinthians 15:26 clearly states: “The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.” Biblically, death is a thief, not a benefactor. Death takes away life; it does not give a greater life.

Please recall Satan’s first recorded utterance in Scripture where he challenged God’s Word; Satan said, Did God really say, You must not eat from any tree in the garden?’” (Gen. 3:1, NIV). This deceptive misquote of God’s revealed Word led to his second utterance, “Ye shall not surely die” (Gen. 3:4), which was just the opposite of what God had said to Adam. Genesis 2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (17) But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. God said, “Thou shalt surely die.” Satan said, “Ye shall not surely die”; scripture makes clear who was telling the truth. Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned. So right off the bat think of how many religions around the world where Satan has deceived them into thinking when they die they go into a Paradise (e.g., the Muslims), or they go into an animal, e.g., the Hindus and etc. and etc... even the Hebrew Sadducees thought they would go to Abraham's bosom when they died (more on this later.)

A second consequence of believing the doctrine that the dead are alive is one that has drastic implications for biblical integrity and harmony. Believing that all the dead are conscious in heaven or hell reduces the great truth of resurrection to virtual insignificance. Death must be true death if resurrection is to be meaningful. If death involves only the body, with the soul and or consciousness living on, then resurrection has lost at least half its significance.

If all believers have gone into the presence of God at their deaths, the monumental importance of Jesus Christ’s resurrection is negated. If Abraham, David, Job and others were already in heaven as disembodied souls or spirits, enjoying the presence of God in “eternity,” then our enemy, death, had already been vanquished before Christ’s resurrection, and eternal life was available without Christ. In fact, if it were true, as many teach, that Enoch, Elijah and Moses went to heaven bodily, then Jesus is not even the only human in heaven with a body. Such teaching contradicts the Word of God, confuses sincere Christians and dilutes their joy of hope. It also leads to a question posed by Wycliffe, Tyndale, Luther and others during the course of Christian history. If disembodied souls are able to live and enjoy the presence of God in heaven for eternity, then what is the need for a resurrection?

William Tyndale (1492-1536), the heroic Reformation figure chiefly responsible for translating the Bible into English, wrote the following to combat the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church:

"And you in putting them [the souls of the dead] in heaven, hell and purgatory, destroy the arguments wherewith Christ and Paul prove the resurrection ... the true faith putteth the resurrection which we are warned to look for every hour. The heathen philosophers, denying that, did put that the souls did ever live. And the Pope joineth this spiritual doctrine of the philosophers together, things so contrary that they cannot agree."

If a body is not required for life in the “hereafter,” then God is going to a lot of trouble for no apparent reason by “reuniting” everyone with his body. And the physical death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, serving only to allow the disembodied soul or spirit to be united with a body that it obviously can do without, seems to be of little significance. The teaching that the soul lives on after death destroys the uniqueness of Christian doctrine, that is, that Jesus Christ’s bodily resurrection is prerequisite to anyone being given everlasting life. With so much biblical emphasis on the resurrection of Jesus Christ, any doctrine undermining it is highly suspect.

A third consequence of believing the doctrine that souls live on after the body dies is that it plays into the hands of those who promote the practice of communicating with the dead. Today many people, both Christian and non-Christian, attempt to communicate with the spirits of the dead, often in séances or via “channeling.” Such practices are similar to ancestor worship, historically a practice of most non-Christian religions. Pagans believe that the spirits of departed ancestors intervene in their lives, both for good and evil. Thus, as godlike beings, they must be worshiped and entreated. Superstition and fear of the unknown are always hallmarks of such false doctrine. In fact many Catholics and Muslims believe that Mary from time to time appears to them and gives them special messages from God. If there really are “departed souls” or “spirits” that are conscious and have knowledge of eternity or other matters of interest to those of us still earthbound, why not communicate with them? Because they are not there to answer. What will answer are evil spirits (fallen angels currently under Satan’s dominion) impersonating the dead. In the Old Testament, however, God expressly forbade communication with such “familiar spirits.” For example:

  • Leviticus 19:31 Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.

  • Leviticus 20:6 And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

  • Deuteronomy 18:10 and 11 (10): There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch. (11): Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

  • 2 Kings 23:24 Moreover the workers with familiar spirits, and the wizards, and the images, and the idols, and all the abominations that were spied in the land of Judah and in Jerusalem, did Josiah put away, that he might perform the words of the law which were written in the book that Hilkiah the priest found in the house of the Lord.

They are called “familiar spirits” because these evil spirits are familiar with people who have died and can even reproduce their likenesses and personalities as if they were still alive in the realm of the “hereafter.”  The judgment of God against Saul, Israel’s first king, that led to his death was in part caused by his attempt to divine the Lord’s will through a familiar spirit impersonating Samuel (1 Sam. 28:7-9; 8: So Saul disguised himself, putting on other clothes, and at night he and two men went to the woman. “Consult a spirit for me,” he said, “and bring up for me the one I name.” 9: But the woman said to him, “Surely you know what Saul has done. He has cut off the mediums and spiritists from the land. Why have you set a trap for my life to bring about my death?” 10: Saul swore to her by the Lord, “As surely as the Lord lives, you will not be punished for this.” 11:Then the woman asked, “Whom shall I bring up for you?" Bring up Samuel,” he said. 12: When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul, “Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!” 13: The king said to her, “Don’t be afraid. What do you see?” The woman said, “I see a spirit coming up out of the ground.” 14: “What does he look like?” he asked. “An old man wearing a robe is coming up,” she said. Then Saul knew it was Samuel, and he bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.  We can clearly read that this women was terrified because she had only been tricking the people into believing that she could bring back their loved ones who would communicate through her thus making a living, however here she really brings back a demon impersonating Samuel.

1 Chron. 10:13,14 Saul died because he was unfaithful to the Lord; he did not keep the word of the Lord and even consulted a medium for guidance, 14: and did not inquire of the Lord. So the Lord put him to death and turned the kingdom over to David son of Jesse.

 It is appalling that the orthodox Christian position cites this record as evidence that the dead can appear and communicate to the living. Sometimes a familiar spirit will appear to a person who is not actively seeking to contact the dead.  Although such experiences are very convincing to those who see what appears to be a dead friend or relative, God's Word exposes this counterfeit as another satanic attempt to convince people that the dead are actually still alive. Scripture makes it plain that contacting the dead is a sin forbidden by God.  Surely those supposedly living in heaven with God would not sin by initiating or participating in contact with the living. There is nothing in the New Testament that changes God’s Old Testament prohibition against attempting to communicate with the dead.

This is what Mathew Henry - 1662 – 1714 - (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Henry) says about "the Witch of Endor":

"Here is a seeming defector chasm in the story. Saul said, Bring me up Samuel, and the very next words are, When the woman saw Samuel, (v. 12), whereas one would have expected to be told how she performed the operation, what spells and charms she used, or that some little intimation would be given of what she said or did; but the profound silence of the scripture concerning it forbids our coveting to know the depths of Satan (Rev. 2:24) or to have our curiosity gratified with an account of the mysteries of iniquity. It has been said of the books of some of the popish confessors that, by their descriptions of sin, they have taught men to commit it; but the scripture conceals sinful art, that we may be simple concerning evil, Rom. 16:19. 4. The witch, upon sight of the apparition, was aware that her client was Saul, her familiar spirit, it is likely, informing her of it (v. 12): "Why hast thou deceived me with a disguise; for thou art Saul, the very man that I am afraid of above any man?" Thus she gave Saul to understand the power of her art, in that she could discover him through his disguise; and yet she feared lest, hereafter, at least, he should take advantage against her for what she was now doing. Had she believed that it was really Samuel whom she saw, she would have had more reason to be afraid of him, who was a good prophet, than of Saul, who was a wicked king. But the wrath of earthly princes is feared by most more than the wrath of the King of kings.  Saul (who, we may suppose, was kept at a distance in the next room) bade her not to be afraid of him, but go on with the operation, and enquired what she saw? v. 13. O, says the woman, I saw gods (that is, a spirit) ascending out of the earth; they called angels gods, because spiritual beings. Poor gods that ascend out of the earth! But she speaks the language of the heathen, who had their infernal deities and had them in veneration. If Saul had thought it necessary to his conversation with Samuel that the body of Samuel should be called out of the grave, he would have taken the witch with him to Ramah, where his sepulchre was; but the design was wholly upon his soul, which yet, if it became visible, was expected to appear in the usual resemblance of the body; and God permitted the devil, to answer the design, to put on Samuel's shape, that those who would not receive the love of the truth might be given up to strong delusions and believe a lie. That it could not be the soul of Samuel himself they might easily apprehend when it ascended out of the earth, for the spirit of a man, much more of a good man, goes upward, Eccl. 3:21. But, if people will be deceived, it is just with God to say, "Let them be deceived." That the devil, by the divine permission, should be able to personate Samuel is not strange, since he can transform himself into an angel of light! nor is it strange that he should be permitted to do it upon this occasion, that Saul might be driven to despair, by enquiring of the devil, since he would not, in a right manner, enquire of the Lord, by which he might have had comfort. Saul, being told of gods ascending, was eager to know what was the form of this deity, and in what shape he appeared, so far was he from conceiving any horror at it, his heart being wretchedly hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. Saul, it seems, was not permitted to see any manner of similitude himself, but he must take the woman's word for it, that she saw an old man covered with a mantle, or robe, the habit of a judge, which Samuel had sometimes worn, and some think it was for the sake of that, and the majesty of its aspect, that she called this apparition Elohim, a god or gods; for so magistrates are styled, Ps. 82:1. 6. Saul, perceiving, by the woman's description, that it was Samuel, stooped with his face to the ground, either, as it is generally taken, in reverence to Samuel, though he saw him not, or perhaps to listen to that soft and muttering voice which he now expected to hear (for those that had familiar spirits peeped and muttered, Isa. 8:19); and it should seem Saul bowed himself (probably by the witch's direction) that he might hear what was whispered and listen carefully to it; for the voice of one that has a familiar spirit is said to come out of the ground, and whisper out of the dust, Isa. 29:4. He would stoop to that who would not stoop to the word of God."  - I'll be adding more insight into this story, i.e., the Witch of Endor" near the bottom of this study.
 

A fourth consequence of believing the doctrine of immediate entrance into heaven at death, and the corollary teaching that death is God’s will, is that it may subtly undermine a Christian’s will to live by causing him to accept death as a “friend.” But God’s Word is clear:

1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

If a person is persuaded that death is a “friend” that will introduce him to the glories of eternity, he may adopt a cavalier attitude toward his own death. Satan can then wield the power of death more easily, manipulating the untimely death of his victims by fatal disease, murder, suicide or accident. Why should a Christian aggressively cling to life on earth and endeavor to live it to the fullest when a much brighter and higher existence awaits him with God “on the other side”? Does this teaching motivate a Christian to behave in a manner that will cause him to prolong, preserve and enjoy his earthly existence and service to God? To the contrary, one’s belief in an immediate afterlife might even cause him to hasten his own death. In fact, history contains a great many records of Christians who have committed suicide so that they could “be with Jesus.” Tragically, they have often taken others with them to the grave by murdering them first. One effect of this false doctrine may possibly be seen in the context of a serious illness. It is generally understood that an individual with a strong will to live is more likely to survive a life-threatening illness. How ironic that Christian believers who have access to God’s miraculous, supernatural power for deliverance often negate it by a truncated will to live, based on their misunderstanding of the true nature of death. Unbelievers who think that this life is all there is can too often muster more of the innate and God-given instinct for survival than does a child of God. Does it glorify God that His people should have less desire than unbelievers to live as long as they can on earth? Does this help win the lost and persuade them of the benefits of following the way of Jesus Christ?

In the same vein, many Christians are very fatalistic about the moment of their deaths. Perhaps to deal with the fear of death, they assume the Lord already has the day picked. When their “number is up,” they will die, regardless of their behavior, thoughts or even prayers. They think that God alone determines the day of their death when He is ready. There is, however, no biblical justification for the idea that the day of one’s death is “set in stone.” Rather, the Bible is replete with examples of men and women shortening or prolonging their lives by the way they lived— for example, Saul (1 Chron. 10:13) and Hezekiah (2 Kings 20:1-5).

Although believing that God determines the day of one’s death may seem comforting to a misguided believer in, say, an airplane bouncing through turbulence, it actually may work against him. In a critical situation, intense prayer and supplication would be much more beneficial than passively waiting to see what God’s will is. It is obvious that our own choices go a long way toward determining what kind of life we live and for how long. Thinking fatalistically, one is probably less likely to do those things that make for a long and healthy life. If it were true that it is God who determines one’s appointed time to die, then death would be a friend, and God would be its cause. Neither is true. God’s will for man is a long, healthy and prosperous life as a testimony to His love and goodness (e.g., Prov. 4:10; 9:11; Eph. 6:3). Jesus said that he always did the Father’s will (John 4:34; 5:30; 6:38; 17:4), and he healed all who came to him in faith (Matt. 4:23; 8:16; 9:35; Luke 9:11). Of course, most Christians who teach that God kills His people seldom say it that way. They usually say of a Christian who has died, that God “called him home.” What an incredible euphemism! Think about it, “home?”  What visions the word carries with it: a hot meal, a warm bed, a loving family. But what are people really saying about a saint who has died, when they sweetly say that God “called him home”? They’re saying that God, who is love, light and goodness, ran him down with a bus, ate out his insides with cancer or had him beaten to death in an alley; repulsive? Although Jack Sharkey, former world heavyweight boxing champion, who was hardly known as a spokesman for fundamental Christian orthodoxy, said in 1978 upon hearing of the death of his friend, boxer Gene Tunney, is representative of its confusion. Sharkey said that Tunney’s death “makes me think it’s too bad, we all get along and the good Lord takes us.”  But how can the good Lord do bad things? The Word of God clearly states that God is “good” (Mark 10:18) and that death is an “enemy” to His people (1 Cor. 15:26). God tells us also that it is the Devil who holds the power of death (Heb. 2:14) and the Devil was a “murderer from the beginning” (John 8:44). It should be noted here that although death is of the Devil, this does not mean that a Christian who dies is “bad” or “out of fellowship” or is “possessed.” Because of the fall of Adam, physical death is the inevitable end of life for each person, unless he is still alive when Christ again appears. If the Church fails to change its wholly untenable biblical position that the “dead” are actually “alive,” it will unwittingly continue to play into the hands of spiritualists, adherents of Eastern Mysticism and the proponents of the rapidly growing New Age Movement, who deny both the significance of Christ’s resurrection and the unique opportunity for everlasting life through faith in his name. It will also continue to offer people a weak and false hope based on paganism, rather than the comforting and satisfying truth of God’s Word.

 "Is there a literal Hell where one is tormented for ever":

What is Hell?

This will be a study of Hell and what happens after someone dies. I will begin with Genesis 3: [4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: [5] For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil; this was the 2nd lie of the Devil. Let's now look at what JC and God said about this lie a few verses later - 22] And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: BTW, did you know Skull and Bones (Harvard University) uses "322" {Gen 3:22} below their logo (i.e., the scull and cross bones.) So we can read that God did not allow man to live forever as Adam and Eve subsequently died as have all of us over these 6,000 years; the only exceptions would be Enoch and Elijah. everyone is else died.

1Cr 15:22 For  as  in  Adam  all  die  , even  so  in  Christ shall  all  be made alive  .
Hbr 9:27 And  as  it is appointed  unto men once  to die , but  after  this  the judgment :

My first question in this study is: Would God allow a person to burn in torment from the time they died until the time they were judged; moreover, after this "final Judgment" would Jesus Christ then cast them [again] into the unquenchable fire, i.e., the 2nd death for more torture?

Here is an example:

  • Let's assume it is the year 500 BC and a person named Tom (who did not love and follow God's commandments) died and went into this type of hell where he began to be tortured by fire. 
  • Now let's assume Tom's great, great, great grandson died (Tom Jr.) in 1 AD or 501 years after old great grandfather Tom had already been burning (Tom Jr. was also a sinner) and now Tom Jr. begins to burn slowly in hell.)
  • Now let's assume it is the year 2015 AD and Tom Jr.' great, great, grandson Tom the 5th was still living and he too was not following God's commands (nor had faith in JC) and it just so happened that JC came back (i.e., the 2nd Coming) that year; would if be [fair] for a loving God to allow one person to be tortured for thousands of years, and another for only hundreds of years, and then allow another to suffer less (or no torture at all in the case of Tom the 5th) just because they died earlier?
  • Many have thought about this "unfairness" and have come up with several non-Biblical doctrines, e.g., purgatory, limbo, etc... We'll look into this teaching a little latter.
David spoke of “the sleep of death” (Psalm 13:3). All throughout the Old Testament, when kings died, they “slept with their fathers” (1 Kings 2:10).  After Stephen was martyred, “he fell asleep” (Acts 7:60). Dead Christians “sleep in Jesus” (1 Thess. 4:14). Thus the dead are sleeping in the dust of the earth. Someday, they will wake up.

Finally, the Christians’ hope is the return of Jesus Christ and the resurrection. When our Lord returns, “the dead in Christ shall rise…so shall we ever be with the Lord” (1 Thess. 4:16, 17). Look closely. Paul said Christians will “be with the Lord” when He returns. Jesus taught the same thing when He promised His disciples, “I will come again, and receive you to Myself” (John 14:3). Again, look closely. Jesus did not say, “I’ll meet you in Heaven when you die,” but that He would receive us when He returns.

The thief on the cross Part I - Luke 23:42,43):

On history’s darkest day, as the Son of God hung suspended between heaven and earth bearing the sins of the world, a dying criminal crucified beside Jesus breathed hopefully, “Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom” (Luke 23:42). The King responded, “Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise” (verse 43). Many interpret Christ’s response as conclusive evidence that the dying thief’s soul was instantly ushered into the presence of Jesus on that very day. I disagree. Here’s why:

  1. The dying thief pleaded, “Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom.” Thus the thief hoped to be remembered at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, not before.
  2. Jesus Himself did not go to Paradise that day, but into Joseph’s tomb. Three days later, after rising from the dead, Jesus candidly told Mary, “I have not yet ascended to My Father” (John 20:17). Thus our Lord did not ascend to glory on the day of His death.
  3. Jesus clarified that His followers will be with Him when He returns. “I will come again”, He promised, “and receive you to Myself” (John 14:3, italics added). Paul taught the same thing when he wrote that true believers will get to “be with the Lord” when He descends from heaven and resurrects the dead (see 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17). So what did Jesus mean when He spoke to the dying thief?

Believe it or not, the confusion stems from one tiny piece of punctuation called a ‘comma.’ Before we look again at Christ’s exact words to the thief, let me clarify that the Bible calls itself “the Word of God”, not “the Comma of God”. The fact is that punctuation and commas were added to the inspired text many years after the New Testament was written. It is the same with the numbering of verses. Whatever translation you are reading from, your Bible says “43” before Christ’s response the dying thief. “42” comes before that, then “41”, etcetera. Guess what? Luke didn’t write “41” or “42” or “43” or “44.” He just wrote one book of Luke. It wasn’t until many years later that men numbered the verses to make it easier for us to find them. I’m glad they did. It helps. But they also added commas where they assumed they should go. So let’s remove the comma and look at what Jesus Christ literally said to the thief. His exact words were:

"Assuredly I say to you today you will be with Me in Paradise (Luke 23:43)".

Now, if you place the comma before the word “today,” which is where most Bibles place it, then Jesus told the thief, “today you will be with Me in Paradise.” But if you place the comma after the word “today,” Christ’s meaning is switched entirely. Then Jesus would have said, “I say to you today, you will be with Me in Paradise.” In other words, Christ would be telling the thief, “I tell you today” (right then two thousand years ago) that he would be with Him in the future when He returns.  

So which is it? Where should the comma go? Fortunately, we don’t have to guess. Other verses make Christ’s answer clear.

  1. Jesus didn’t go to Paradise that day.
  2. On Saturday (not Sunday as most teach) morning He had not yet ascended to His Father (see John 20:17).
  3. Jesus never contradicted Himself. He plainly promised His followers, “I will come again and receive you to Myself” (John 14:3). Martin Luther once said, “Here I stand. So help me God. Amen.” This is where I stand. My hope is the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

Luke 16:19-31:

There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and fared sumptuously every day. But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. Then he cried and said, "Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame." After denying his request, Abraham finally told the rich man, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’

To begin with, I want to make one highly significant mega-point: This is the ONLY place in the entire New Testament that says that a lost soul descends into a fiery hell immediately at death! Such a doctrine is not taught anywhere else – not by Matthew, Mark, John, James, Peter or Paul. Did you get that? Paul wrote most of the New Testament, and he didn’t teach it even once. Let this fact sink into your soul.

Second, Jesus often told “parables” or stories that were symbolic of deeper truths. Although parables contain many practical lessons, not every item should be taken literally. Is this story a parable? We believe so.

Here are 7 reasons why:

  1. Jesus often began His parables with the phrase, "a certain…" this or that (see Luke 14:16; 15:11; 16:1; 19:11, 12; 20:9, KJV). If you look up these verses in Luke’s gospel, you will discover that they are all parables. Thus it’s logical to assume the Rich Man and Lazarus story is also a parable.
  2. A man cannot physically enter into "the bosom" or chest of another person as Christ described.
  3. Can someone literally burning in flames carry on a normal conversation?
  4. Can those in heaven and hell talk to each other?
  5. Jesus represented the rich man as being bodily in hell, with eyes, a mouth, a tongue, etc. This is obviously symbolic. If you were to dig up a real rich man's grave, wouldn't his body be there? Of course!
  6. A real burning man would not request a little water to cool his tongue alone. What about the rest of his body?
  7. Consciousness at death contradicts the rest of the Bible.

Significantly, Jesus didn’t interpret every parable He told. Yet when His disciples asked Him to interpret another parable about weeds in a field, Jesus plainly explained that hellfire occurs at “the end of this world,” rather than at death (see Matthew 13:36, 40-42, KJV).

Jesus flipped things upside down by describing a saved poor man, and a lost rich man

The context of Christ’s parable shows He was talking directly to wealthy Pharisees who were mocking Him with their tongues (see Luke 16:14). Those Pharisees believed the rich were blessed, while the poor lived under God’s curse. Jesus flipped things upside down by describing a saved poor man, and a lost rich man. The part about the rich man asking for his tongue to be soothed was a direct warning to those Pharisees that their lips were catapulting them toward hell-fire. Finally, at the end of His parable, Jesus declared that even resurrecting Lazarus from the dead wouldn’t convince the doubters.

This leads to the next point: Why did Jesus specify the name Lazarus? Because His parable was also a prophecy. Later Jesus would resurrect a real person named Lazarus, yet this miracle would not convince the Pharisees that He was the Messiah (John 11:1-53). Here’s a solid principle: We should interpret parables in the light of the rest of the Bible, rather than the rest of the Bible in the light of one parable.

Is Luke 16:19-31 really a parable? (part II)

Again, the parable concerns real people, real local problems and contemporary issues. And, most importantly, the key to the answer was in the Old Testament.

The Rich Man and Lazarus:

We now come to the last of the parables in this section of Luke, the one with which we are concerned. One important point: there is no break between the "You are the ones!" (Luke 16:15) spoken to the Pharisees and the Lazarus parable. This suggests that the Pharisees were the audience of this parable as well.

Who are the characters?

The Rich Man = ?
His father = ?
His five brothers = ?
Lazarus= ?
Abraham = ?

It seems easiest to start where there is likely to be most agreement, that Abraham is the Abraham of Genesis.

Next easiest is Lazarus. There is only one person of this name found in the Bible, namely Lazarus of Bethany, the brother of Mary and Martha who was raised from the dead by Jesus in John 11:1-44. Comparing the parallel accounts of the anointing in Bethany in John 12:3 and Matthew 26:6 we find that Lazarus’ other name was Simon, and that he had been a leper. The leprosy must have been healed when Christ raised Lazarus from the dead, but he was still known as "Simon the Leper".

This explains why the Lazarus in the parable was "full of sores" (Luke 16:20). The begging had nothing to do with poverty, it was because he was unclean. According to the Law of Moses, Simon would have been ceremonially unclean and could not enter his own house in Bethany; "he must live outside the camp" (Leviticus 13:46).

So we have two men, both Jews, both called Lazarus, both beggars, both lepers, both of whom died, and both of whom would not convince people by their resurrection (compare Luke 16:30-31 and John 12:10).

This is too many coincidences for them not to have been the same person. So:

Abraham= Abraham
Lazarus = Lazarus

This would lead us to expect the Rich Man is also someone known to the audience of the parable.

Who was the Rich Man?

Reading through the story we can find the following clues to the identity of the Rich Man:

  1. he was rich (vs.19)
  2. dressed in purple and fine linen (vs.19)
  3. lived in luxury every day (vs.19)
  4. in his lifetime he received good things (vs.25)
  5. he had five brothers (vs.28)
  6. they lived in his father’s house (vs.27)
  7. they had Moses and the Prophets (vs.25)
  8. but they did not listen to them (vs.29)
  9. they would not be convinced even if someone were to rise from the dead (vs.31)

It is not obvious to the modern reader who this Rich Man is. But it should be clear that the picture is much too detailed to simply be ‘a representative of all rich men’.

But the Pharisees listening would have known immediately whom Christ was referring to. There was not any chance of their mistaking it, because only one man in Israel dressed in purple and fine linen. A man who fitted exactly all the clues which Jesus gave as to the identity of the Rich Man.

As in Luke’s previous parable of the Dishonest Steward, the key to the meaning lies in the Old Testament. In Exodus 28 we find the instructions given to Aaron for making the high priest’s garments; "blue, purple, and scarlet yarn and fine linen" (note Exodus 28:5-8,15,31,39). The Pharisees could not fail to understand that the man dressed in purple and fine linen was the Jewish high priest.

The Name of the Rich Man

The high priest when Jesus spoke this parable was Caiaphas. We know from the Jewish historian Josephus, who wrote a detailed account of the period in Antiquities of the Jews, that Caiaphas met all 4 of the first qualifications of the Rich Man of Luke 16:

1. he was rich (v.19)

2. dressed in purple and fine linen (v.19)

3. lived in luxury every day (v.19)

4. in his lifetime he received good things (v.25)

(see Antiquities, XIII: 10:vi:p.281, XVIII:1:iv:p.377, also Wars of the Jews 11:8:xiv: p. 478)

His Father’s House

In Luke 3:2 and Acts 4:6 we meet the other high priest who served with Caiaphas, Annas, who was "father-in-law to Caiaphas" (John 18:13). Josephus also records that Caiaphas served as high priest 18-35AD at the time of Jesus’ ministry. Annas had been removed from his office by the Romans for openly resisting them, but behind the scenes he retained his authority and position. This is why in John 18:13-24 Jesus is first tried by Annas, and only afterwards sent to Caiaphas (v.28), but then Caiaphas, not Annas, sends Jesus to Pilate (v.29).

Five Brothers

In case anyone listening did not understand who He meant, Christ was even more specific: The "five brothers" Christ mentions are the five other high priests, who were in fact his five brothers-in-law, the five sons of Annas. The historian Josephus records:

"Now the report goes, that this elder Annas proved a most fortunate man; for he had five sons, who had all performed the office of a high priest to God, and he had himself enjoyed that dignity a long time formerly, which had never happened to any other of our high priests. . ." (Antiquities, Book XX, chapter 9, section i, p.423)

The years they served are as follows:

Eleazar 16-17AD
Jonathan 36-37AD
Theophilus 37-41AD
Matthias 41-43AD
Annas the Younger 62AD

As mentioned above, the years 18-35AD between Eleazar and Jonathan were occupied by Caiaphas. Between 43-62AD the high priests were taken from other families than of Annas. Finally in 70AD the temple was destroyed and the high priesthood along with it.

This confirms the list of coincidences between the Rich Man and Caiaphas:

5. he had five brothers (v.28)

6. they lived in his father’s house (v.27)

7. they had Moses and the Prophets (v.25)

8. but they did not listen to them (v.29)

The final coincidence is confirmed when after the resurrection of Simon of Bethany, we read that "the chief priests made plans to kill Lazarus as well, for on account of him many of the Jews were going over to Jesus and putting their faith in him" (John 12:10)

9. they would not be convinced even if someone were to rise from the dead (v.31)

John 12:10 also confirms another coincidence between the Lazarus of the parable and Simon Lazarus of Bethany. The resurrection of both was rejected by Annas and his five sons.

Summary so far

We have established the identity of all the characters:

Abraham = Abraham
Lazarus = Simon the Leper of Bethany
The Rich Man = Caiaphas
His father = Annas
His 5 brothers = Eleazar, Jonathan, Theophilus, Matthias, Annas the Younger

But what does the parable mean?

At the Rich Man’s Gate

"At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores, and longing to eat from the Rich Man’s table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores." (vs. 20-21)

As we noted in considering the real Lazarus, when a Jew contracted a disease they became ‘unclean’. They were at most allowed only into the outer court of the temple. This meant the unclean were no longer allowed to eat from the sacrifices offered in the inner court. In this way Simon of Bethany was barred from eating at the table of Caiaphas in Jerusalem.

There is similar language in Matthew 15 when the Canaanite woman (who was a ‘Gentile dog’ as far as the Pharisees were concerned) said to Jesus "Even the dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their master’s table" (Matthew 15:27).

It may be that before he died Simon the Leper literally did beg outside the temple. But the meaning here is deeper than begging for food. Jesus is saying that the weak, the unclean, and the poor, were all denied spiritual food by the ruling caste of high priests.

The Bosom of Abraham

"The time came when the beggar died, and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side" (v.22 NIV).

Now this is where the story starts to become difficult. Nowhere else in the Bible does it say that when men die they go to Abraham’s side. In older Bibles it reads "bosom of Abraham", meaning the lap of Abraham.

Today there are a hundred and one different theories about death. Many people seriously believe when they die they will go up to the gates of Heaven, to be met by the Apostle Peter. Others believe other things. But the idea that the dead go to sit 'in the lap' of Abraham is something that nobody today believes.

But people did believe it in Jesus' day. Mentions of "the bosom of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" have been found in burial papyri (cf. papyrus Preisigke Sb 2034:11). In early Rabbinical legends "the Bosom of Abraham" was where the righteous went. (cf. Kiddushin 72b, Ekah 1:85). It is not in the Bible of course, but it was popularly believed.

While the NIV has "to Abraham's side", the literal AV rendering "to the bosom of Abraham" is better as the 'Bosom of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob', was a specific concept in contemporary popular belief.

Another source showing what Jews of Jesus' day believed is a book called 4 Maccabees, which was probably written by Jews in Egypt about a generation after Christ. In this work of fiction Abraham, Isaac and Jacob receive and welcome Jewish martyrs into the world of the dead:

"After our death in this fashion Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob will receive us and all our forefathers will praise us" (4 Maccabees 13:17).

Again, this is not Bible teaching, only popular superstition.

The Rich Man in Hell

The story becomes even more difficult when we read the next verse:

"The Rich Man also died and was buried. In Hell where he was in torment he looked up and saw Abraham far away with Lazarus in his bosom. So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire'." (vs. 23-24)

Even with the most fertile imagination it is difficult to believe that from Hell one can see people in Heaven and talk to them. But the story gets stranger still:

"But Abraham replied. 'Son remember that in your life time you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone else cross over from there to us". (vs. 25-26)

Nothing else in the Bible prepares us for this description of Hell. Again the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus turns out to be unique.

Which Hell?

We need to clarify what the word 'Hell' means here, as in English Bibles (unlike many Asian Bibles) two words have been confused into one.

'Hell' in the English Bible can be one of two words in the original Greek text:

1. Hades, the grave, the pit, the place where the dead sleep. In the Old Testament known as Sheol (Genesis 37:35, 42:38, 44:29, Job 14:13, Psalm 6:5, 16:10, 139:8, Ecclesiastes 9:10, Matthew 16:18). In the Bible all people go to Hades to await the resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:55, Revelation 1:8, 20:13). Even Jesus was in Hades for 3 days and 3 nights (Psalm 16:10, Acts 2:27,31).

2. Gehenna, originally the name of the valley Gehenna on the south side of Jerusalem. In the Old Testament the valley was known as Ben Hinnom (Jeremiah 7:31). In the New Testament the name is associated with the fire in which the rejected will be destroyed at the last judgment (Matthew 5:22,29,30, 18:9, 23:15,33, Mark 9:43,45,47, Luke 12:5, James 3:6)

The problem is that in Luke 16:23 the ‘Hell’ described does not fit either of these Bible definitions. In fact the word is Hades, but it clearly does not fit with the Hades of "silence" (Psalm 31:17), where Jesus was laid (Acts 2:25-28 quoting Psalm 16:8-11). There are 9 other mentions of Hades in the New Testament, 50 in the Old. All these other references present Hades as the grave. Luke 16:23 is the odd one out.

The source for the unusual Hades in Luke 16:23, as with the source for the ‘Bosom of Abraham’ itself, lies outside the Bible in the myths of the 1st Century. Many Jewish myths survive today (e.g.. in the Apocrypha, Pseudepigrapha, Dead Sea Scrolls, Talmud, etc.). In these works a variety of fantastic pictures of Hades are given that have no connection with the Old Testament. One of the closest to the picture given in Luke 16:23-24 is in a work called The Apocalypse of Zephaniah.

Let's take a few minutes and go deeper into some of the "words" surrounding death;

Rev 20 - 12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. [13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell (or sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit) delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. [14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. [15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

If you click on all the blue links above and read every verse regarding death, hell, the Lake of Fire and the Second death not only will you not find anywhere where it says the dead (you and me) will be tormented with fire but you will actually find several verses which talk about the deed will not remember anything and will sleep. Remember  only Jesus never saw corruption -

Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption .
 

There are three different Greek words which are translated as “Hell” in our English New Testaments.

  1. Tartarus
  2. Gehenna
  3. Hades

Tartarus is used only once in the New Testament, in 2 Peter 2:4. "God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell [Tartarus], and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment." This verse says that “the angels that sinned” (which would include Lucifer) have already been cast down “to hell” by God Himself yet they aren’t burning now nor are they suffering somewhere below the earth.  Tartarus means “dark abyss” or “place of restraint.”  2 Peter 2:4 says 4] For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment", this means a future punishment. Moreover, we know that Satan and his demons are here on earth tormenting us, Christians and non Christians, but through the Holy Sprit given by God after Jesus was resurrected, Christians can over-come and defeat them.

Gehenna this word is derived from the name of the valley of Hinnom just south of Jerusalem where trash, filth, and the bodies of dead animals were burned up in Bible days. Jesus Christ spoke about Gehenna many times such as in Matthew 5:22, 29 & 30 where He warned about “the danger of hell [Gehenna] fire” (Matthew 5:22). Gehenna definitely suggests real flames. But a key question is: when will this fire burn? In Matthew 13:40-42, in His explanation to His disciples about His parable concerning plants, reapers and a harvest, Jesus provided this definite answer:

[40] As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
[41] The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
[42] And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.


When do these fires burn? JC's answer is, “at the end of this world” (again see verse 40 above). Peter wrote the same thing in 2 Peter 3: [7] But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Peter is saying:

  • a real fire is forth coming
  • it will burn “the heavens,” or the atmosphere 
  • it will burn “the earth”
  • the fire will blaze on “the day of judgment”
  • the “ungodly” will end up in this fire

Peter also said in 2 Peter 3 [10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Peter is saying in the future the sky and the earth will catch fire and “melt with fervent heat.” The NT is teaching us there will be a future "Judgment", then a "Lake of Fire", then a "New Heaven and Earth"; thus so far, we have yet to find where the dead in Christ will be tormented "forever" in fire....

“Hades.” This Greek word is also translated “Hell” in many English Bibles, such as the King James Version. In Revelation 6:8, the King James Version refers to “Death, and Hell [Hades].” It does this same in Revelation 20:14. Yet some English Bibles leave the word “Hades” itself, such as the New International Version, which translates Revelation 6:8 and 20:14 as “Death, and Hades.” Now here’s a key point: in Revelation 20:14 “Hades” (“Hell”) is eventually “cast into the lake of fire.” Thus “Hades” itself is not a fiery place, but is cast into “the lake of fire.”

Here is Revelation 20:14 in both the KJV and NIV:

"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire” (Revelation 20:14, King James Version, italics added), "Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire" (Revelation 20:14, New International Version, italics added)

In my KJV, there is a marginal reference beside the word “Hell” (Hades) listed in Revelation 20:13 and [14] it says “Hell” literally means “the grave.” Thus Revelation 20:14 could properly be translated, “death and the grave were cast into the lake of fire.”

Hades literally means “the grave.” Read - 1 Corinthians 15:55, [55] O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
 

If you look in any Strong’s Concordance, you’ll discover that the original Greek word here translated “grave” is “Hades.” By looking at the context, it’s obvious that “Hades” means “the grave” because it is God’s saints who rise out of “Hades” when Jesus Christ returns - read 1 Cor 15:[51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. [53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. [54] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. [55] O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

Additional proof that “Hades” means “the grave” is the fact that “Hades” was the place Jesus Christ’s body rested in immediately after His death. In Acts 2:[31] He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. Thus Christ’s “body” (NIV) or “flesh” (KJV) was not allowed to see “corruption” (KJV) or “decay” (NIV) because it remained in the grave only a short time before He rose.

To summarize the meaning of the three Greek words translated “Hell” in our English Bibles:

  1. Tartarus” means “a place of darkness or restraint” (2 Peter 2:4). Satan abides there now.
  2. Hades” means “the grave” (Acts 2:31; 1 Corinthians 15:55; Revelation 20:14). Jesus Christ’s body rested there, and His saints rest there now awaiting the resurrection.
  3. Gehenna” means a place of fire, brimstone, and punishment (see Matthew 5:22, 29, 30, described in Matthew 13:40-42, 2 Peter 3:7, 10-12). These flames are yet future, at the end of the world.

 Let's continue to my next question:

Why do folks who believe in a "burning" hell alway use "The Worm that Dieth Not" trying to prove that the dammed will never die?

Let's go deep into this "worm." Here we will read where JC mentioned this in the NT then will go to the OT where JC and the Apostles (including Luke) crossed referenced most everything. Mark 9: [43] "And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the *fire that never shall be quenched: [44] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. [45] And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: [46] Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

Lets now compare JC's statement with Isaiah 66: [24] And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh". This is exactly what JC said but here Isaiah is talking about the "carcasses of sinners" that God's believers in the future will look upon. I.e., at the end of time, the godly will see dead bodies (period.)  In this Isaiah text, the worm doesn’t die, but the people are dead. This is biblical imagery. Again, in Bible days, outside Jerusalem, there was a garbage dump where the carcasses of dead dogs and criminals often ended up. Worms continually crawled there within rotting flesh. Jesus used this imagery, quoting Isaiah, to illustrate the fearful fate of the lost. But again, it's dead bodies, not eternal torment, being described.

* What about the fire that never shall be quenched:? Let's now look at Jeremiah 17:[27] "But if ye will not hearken unto me to hallow the sabbath day, and not to bear a burden, even entering in at the gates of Jerusalem on the sabbath day; then will I kindle a fire in the gates thereof, and it shall devour the palaces of Jerusalem, and it shall not be quenched."  

So what do you do when you find an occasional expression in the Bible that initially seems to contradict the clearest Biblical passages on a subject? There is only one safe course to follow: Always let the Bible explain its own terms. By examining the Bible’s own use of a particular expression, you discover the perfect agreement that exists throughout the Bible on the subject. Some people are misled by the expression "unquenchable fire." This term is used in Matthew 3:12; Mark 9:43-48; and Luke 3:17. Does the fact that the fire is unquenchable mean that sinners will burn forever? Let’s ask the Bible to show us an actual example of this kind of fire. Through Jeremiah, God prophesied that if His people would not hallow the Sabbath, Jerusalem would be burned with fire which "shall not be quenched" (Jeremiah 17:27). That prophecy was fulfilled (2 Chronicles 36:19-21; Jeremiah 52:12, 13). But notice that although fire could not be quenched the fuel was consumed! In Isaiah we read that the wicked will "burn together, and none shall quench them" (Isaiah 1:31). Yet the same chapter explains that they "shall be consumed" (Isaiah 1:28)! Did you know that the Bible has also recorded for us an example of a time when "eternal fire" was used? Jude 7 says that "Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them...are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." The story is recorded in Genesis 19. According to this example, how thoroughly does eternal fire burn things? The answer is found in 2 Peter 2:6, "Turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes...making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly."

The Bible indicates that those involved in the final conflict against God will be tormented day and night "for ever and ever" (Revelation 14:11; 20:10). How long, in the Biblical sense of the word, is "for ever and ever?" Are there any Biblical examples of this measurement of time?

Here is one: In Jewish history, all Hebrew servants were released every seventh year. But if one should choose not to leave his master, "his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for ever" (Exodus 21:6). Obviously "for ever" only means "as long as he lives."

Here is another example: Hannah dedicated her child Samuel to the Lord and took him to the house of the Lord that he might "there abide for ever" (1 Samuel 1:22). She clarified the meaning of her words in verse 28 by saying, "as long as he liveth."

The term "eternal punishing" is not found in the Bible. However, Jesus did speak of "everlasting punishment" (Matthew 25:46). Do you know the difference? What is the punishment for sin? "The wages of sin is death" (Romans 6:23). Everlasting death. The Scriptures clearly foretell the fate of the wicked "whose end is destruction" (Philippians 3:19). "Everlasting destruction" (2 Thessalonians 1:9). "Thou hast destroyed the wicked, thou hast put out their name for ever and ever. O thou enemy, destructions are come to a perpetual end: and...their memorial is perished with them" (Psalm 9:5, 6). "This is the second death" (Revelation 20:14). The Bible is very clear on this subject. (See Job 8:22; 20:4-9; Psalm 1:6; 21:9; 37:38; Proverbs 2:22; Isaiah 65:17; Zephaniah 1:18.)

In the Isaiah text, the worm doesn’t die, but the people are dead. This is biblical imagery. Again, in Bible days, outside Jerusalem, there was a garbage dump where the carcasses of dead dogs and criminals often ended up. Worms continually crawled there within rotting flesh. Jesus used this imagery, quoting Isaiah, to illustrate the fearful fate of the lost. But again, it's dead bodies, not eternal torment, being described.

 

The Lake of Fire (borrowed from http://bibletruths.150m.com/Wrathpart4.htm ) :

What are the first impressions we had all our lives on the lake of fire?  Did you ever wonder why brimstone is included in the lake of fire?  As if God’s consuming fire alone is not enough.  Brimstone is the Greek word thion which means in the sense of flashing and it means sulfur.  Strong’s Lexicon says brimstone was used as divine incense; or should I say, sweet savor?  It also says burning brimstone was regarded as having power to purify, and to ward off disease.  Now isn’t that interesting?   

Thion is taken from the word thios which was translated divine and godhead, and the other Greek word is theos and was translated as God; which means the supreme divinity.  God is not only a consuming fire but He is also brimstone.   

The consuming fire and brimstone is God purifying, refining, and cleansing His people Israel.  The Encyclopedia Britannica says sulfur is often called brimstone or burning stone, and ignited sulfur is mentioned in the earlier records of many countries as having been used for religious ceremonies, for purifying and fumigating buildings, and for bleaching cloth.  I find that very interesting.   

Words have meanings and brimstone is a symbol and this purifying, fumigating, and bleaching action are things being purified and being made white.  It is called the white throne judgment; not a throne of darkness.  Under the caption: Methods of Production it says; ancient producers described their method of obtaining sulfur from its ore as purification by fire.  Purification by fire sounds very biblical.  Under Physical Properties: Sulfur is tasteless and odorless; it has no action on the skin.  Sulfur is also a poor conductor of both heat and electricity.   

I repeat, words have meanings, and to symbolically apply or flash sulfur means there is no physical pain in the lake of fire because of no action on the skin, and if there is literal heat; sulfur as a poor conductor for heat would serve no purpose in the lake of fire.  Twentieth Century Dictionary says: sulfur has hundreds of beneficial uses; innumerable uses not the least of which are purifications and medicines.   

So why do we find sulfur in the lake of fire?  I could also ask how can God be a wrathful God and called a consuming fire, and at the same time; how can God also be love and a merciful God?  I could also ask; why is the second death a tormenting experience?  I am not implying anything and I am not telling you what to believe; I am only sharing this information for what its worth to you. 

 

Who Are the Spirits In Prison?

Let's take a close look at this passage in 1st Peter and see just what it is really saying.

1 Pet 3:[18] For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, Jesus Christ who was sinless, died once on the cross for sinners- ... that he might bring us to God, Through the death of Jesus, we sinners have been reconciled with God, ... being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: He died the death all we mortals must die, but He was raised to life by the Holy Spirit. 1 Pet 3:[19] By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; By the same Holy Spirit, He (the Holy Spirit by Noah) preached to those people who were prisoners of sin - as the following passage in Luke also shows-

Luke 4:[18] The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, Luke 4:[19] To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

Jesus in Luke was quoting this passage in Isaiah: Isa 61:[1] The spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; Isa 61:[2] To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

The "captives" in Luke and Isaiah, and the "prisoners" in 1st Peter are both referring to then living people in bondage to sin - captives and prisoners of Satan surely, but not disembodied spirits in Hell/hades/limbo. It is the Gospel message that frees you from that captivity to sin-

John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 8:33 They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
John 8:36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

Again, this passage in John shows us to be in bondage to, or prisoners of sin, yet set free by the Son of God.

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, ...

The Gospel message was preached to the people (those in bondage to sin) through Noah and the Holy Spirit while the Ark was being built. Sinners had 120 years of probation (Gen 6:3), while Noah was building the Ark and during that time Noah preached the message of God to a lost wicked world, nearly all of whom were prisoners of sin. So, Jesus had spoken to Noah, telling him to build the Ark, then Noah did the preaching to the people as he was guided by the Holy Spirit.

... wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

2 Pet 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

As a result of Noah's inspired preaching, eight people were saved, Noah and his family. The rest of humanity (the antediluvians) perished in the flood.

So properly understood, this passage of 1 Peter 3:18-20 has absolutely no connection with Jesus after His death on the cross and does not validate a belief in an intermediate "prison" or limbo for souls between death and heaven, as some teach today. When Christ died on the cross, He was buried, and did nothing until His resurrection. He went nowhere and preached to no one during the time period between His crucifixion and resurrection. Dead is dead. Read more here.

Paradise and the Thief on the Cross - Part II:

Some will look the thief on the cross and assert that "paradise" is not heaven, but this "limbo" or holding place in hades for the souls who died before Jesus was resurrected. It is easily proved that "paradise" IS in fact heaven:

Jesus promises the thief that day that he will be with Him in paradise: Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Note that the tree of life is also in paradise: Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

The tree of life is also placed as being in the New Jerusalem: Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

And the New Jerusalem is described as descending *from heaven* after the millennium: Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Hence the promise made to the thief on that day was that he would join Christ in the New Jerusalem, in heaven, for the millennium. It is a promise yet to be fulfilled, which will happen at the second coming and the resurrection of the righteous dead.

The Catholic teaching that paradise/limbo was a holding area in "hell" for souls, liberated when Jesus descended into hell after His death, is unfounded, a false tradition of men, and based on a complete misconception of the state of the dead. In addition to the Catechisms (see below), this erroneous teaching can also be found in the Catechism of the Council of Trent, Article V of the Apostles' Creed and in the Vatican's new Catechism of the Catholic Church #631-637.

The world faces a similar period of probation today, as it did in Noah's day. Soon the Gospel message will be preached a final time, the last person will accept Jesus Christ into his or her heart and mind, and the door of probation will then close as it did on the Ark of Noah. At that point all humanity will have had their fate decided and the plagues of God will then fall on the wicked of the world, as explained in Revelation, which will immediately precede the second coming of Jesus. (The plagues on the wicked are the future counterpart to the flood of Noah.)

 

LIMBO:


The Apostles' Creed and 1 Peter 3:19- Did Jesus preach to spirits in Hades?

1Peter 3:19

 19] By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;[20] Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. [21] The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:


From the Apostles' creed-

... He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried. He descended into hell. ...

What? Jesus descended into Hell after his death? Just what did he do there?

1 Pet 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1 Pet 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

There is a popular interpretation of this passage, in conjunction with the Apostles' Creed, that Jesus, after His death on the cross, descended into Hades/Hell/prison to preach to spirits there.

(The Roman Catholics call this place that Jesus supposedly visited after His death "limbus patrum", or limbo of the fathers. Here is a link to an article from the 1913 Catholic Encyclopedia explaining LIMBO online at New Advent, a Roman Catholic website.)

It is interesting to note that the source of this fanciful story of Jesus preaching in Hell appears to be the Roman Catholic Church. Note the following quotes about article 5 of the Apostles' Creed from Catholic Catechisms:


What meaneth the fifth Article?
He descended into hell, the third day he arose again?

We must believe, that Christ's body lying in the grave, his soul descended into hell: not to suffer pains, as some heretics do say, but for consolation and comfort of many Fathers there, and out of that place (called Lymbus Patrum) he loosed the souls of the blessed Fathers from captivity, and carried them away with him: the third day he rose again from death to life, manifestly showing himself to his Disciples, eating with them, and speaking of the kingdom of God. (Matt. 8, Luke 14, Ephes. 4, 1 Cor. 15, Acts 1.)

Source: A Catechisme or Christian Doctrine, by Laurence Vaux, B.D., reprinted from a 1583 edition by The Chetham Society in 1885, Manchester England, (updated to modern spelling for this excerpt) pages 13, 14.


The Fifth Article

Q. What is the fifth article?
A. He descended into hell, the third day he arose again from the dead.

Q. What means, he descended into Hell?
A. It means, that as soon as Christ was dead, he descended into Limbo, to free the holy fathers who were there.

Q. How prove you that?
A. Out of Acts ii. 24, 27. 'Christ being slain, God raised him up loosing the sorrows of hell, as it was foretold by the prophet,' Psalm xv. 10. 'Thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, nor wilt thou give thy Holy One to see corruption.'

Q. What other proof have you?
A. Ephes. iv. 8, 9. 'He ascending on high, hath led captivity captive; he gave gifts to men; and that he ascended,' what is it but because he descended into the lower parts of the earth?

Q. Did he not descend to purgatory to free such as were there?
A. It is most probable he did according to 1 Pet. iii. 19, 20. 'Christ being dead, came in spirit; and preached to them also that were in prison, who had been incredulous in the days of Noah, when the ark was building.'

Source: The Douay Catechism (An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine) of 1649, by Henry Tuberville, D.D., published by P. J. Kenedy, Excelsior Catholic Publishing House, 5 Barclay Street, New York, approved and recommended for his diocese by the Right Rev. Benedict, Bishop of Boston, April 24th, 1833, page 15.


THE FIFTH ARTICLE

'He descended into hell, the third day He rose again from the dead.'

1. What means, 'He descended into hell'?
That the soul of Jesus Christ, after His death, descended into 'Limbo'—i.e., to the place where the souls of the just who died before Christ were detained, and were waiting for the time of their redemption.

2. Why were souls of the just detained in Limbo?
Because Heaven was closed through sin, and was first to be opened by Christ (Hebr. ix. 6-8)

3. Why did Christ descend into Limbo?
1. To comfort and set free the souls of the just; and
2. To show forth His power and majesty even there in the lower regions (Phil. ii. 10).

Source: Rev. Joseph Deharbe's A Complete Catechism of the Catholic Religion, translated from the German by the Rev. John Fander, sixth American Edition, published by Schwartz, Kirwin & Fauss, 53 Park Place, New York, Copyright 1912, 1919, 1924, pages 119, 120.


The Fifth Article of the Creed

    1 Q. What are we taught in the Fifth Article: He descended into hell; the third day He rose again from the dead?
    A. The Fifth Article of the Creed teaches us that the Soul of Jesus Christ, on being separated from His Body, descended to the Limbo of the holy Fathers, and that on the third day it became united once more to His Body, never to be parted from it again.

    2 Q. What is here meant by hell?
    A. Hell here means the Limbo of the holy Fathers, that is, the place where the souls of the just were detained, in expectation of redemption through Jesus Christ.

    3 Q. Why were not the souls of the Holy Fathers admitted into heaven before the death of Jesus Christ?
    A. The souls of the holy Fathers were not admitted into heaven before the death of Jesus Christ, because heaven was closed by the sin of Adam, and it was but fitting that Jesus Christ, who reopened it by His death, should be the first to enter it.

Source: The Catechism of Pope St. Pius X.


Q. 66. Is Limbo the same place as Purgatory?
A. Limbo is not the same place as Purgatory, because the souls in Purgatory suffer, while those in Limbo do not.


Q. 67. Who were in Limbo when Our Lord descended into it?
A. There were in Limbo when Our Lord descended into it the souls of all those who died the friends of God, but could not enter heaven till the Ascension of Our Lord.

Q. 403. Why did Christ descend into Limbo?
A. Christ descended into Limbo to preach to the souls who were in prison — that is, to announce to them the joyful tidings of their redemption.


Q. 404. Where was Christ's body while His soul was in Limbo?
A. While Christ's soul was in Limbo His body was in the holy sepulchre.

Source: The Baltimore Catechism #3


[On "He descended into hell " ...]

"Hell:" here does not mean the place where the damned are, but a place called "Limbo." You know that when our first parents sinned, Heaven was closed against them and us, and no human being could be admitted into it till after the death of Our Lord; for He by His death would redeem us—make amends for our fall and once more open for us Heaven. Now from the time Adam sinned till the time Christ died is about four thousand years. During that time there were at least some good men, like Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, and others, in the world, who tried to serve God as best they could—keeping all the divine laws known to them, and believing that the Messias would some day come to redeem them. When, therefore, they died they could not go to Heaven, because it was closed against them. They could not go to Hell, because they were good men. Neither could they go to Purgatory, because they would have to suffer there. Where could they go? God in His goodness provided a place for them—Limbo—where they could stay without suffering till Our Lord reopened Heaven. Therefore, while Our Lord's body lay in the sepulchre, His soul went down into Limbo, to tell these good men that Heaven was now opened for them, and that at His Ascension He would take them there with Him.

Source: The Baltimore Catechism #4 on Basic Catholic Prayers, the Apostles' Creed, by Rev. Thomas L. Kinkead, published by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., Rockford, Illinois, Copyright 1891 and 1921 by Benzinger Brothers and reprinted in 1978, ISBN: 0-89555-340-6, pages 11,12.

 

 Please also read: Matt 27:52 "the tombs broke open"

 

Arguments against this teaching (I just received this email from a loved one and I'll go through each verse and explain the true meaning shortly):

Some teachings do declare that Lazarus and The Rich Man is a parable.  Either way, below is what the Bible describes as hell. The Bible gives us three definitions of hell: 

  1. The Old Testament uses the Hebrew sheol or sheh-ole’ - meaning hades or world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), includ(ing/sive/sively) its accessories and inmates: - grave, hell, pit. [Check out the synonyms on subterranean]
    1. Deuteronomy 32:22
    2. 2 Samuel 22:6
    3. Job 11:8; 26:6
    4. Psalm 9:16; 16:10; 18:5; 55:15; 86:13; 116:3; 139:8
    5. Proverbs 5:5; 7:27; 9:18; 15:11, 24; 23:14; 27:20
    6. Isaiah 5:14; 14:9, 15; 28:15, 18; 57:9  
    7. Ezekiel 31:16-17; 32:21, 27
    8. Amos 9:2
    9. Jonah 2:2
    10. Habakkuk 2:5

     

  2. gehenna or gheh’eh-own – valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnon), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively.) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.
    1. Matthew 5:22, 29-30; 10:28; 18:9; 25:15, 33
    2. Mark 9:43, 45, 47
    3. Luke 12:5
    4. Acts 2:27, 31
    5. James 3:6

     

  3. hades – properly unseen, i.e. “Hades” or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell. 
    1. Found in Matthew 11:23 where Jesus was rebuking or giving a Woe to Unrepentant Cities (what will become of them).
    2. Luke 10:15 is used the same way as Matthew 11:23
    3. Revelation 1:18; 6:8; 20:13-14.  This was very interesting.

     

  4. tataroo used in 2 Peter 2:4 (the deepest abyss of Hades); to incarcerate in eternal torment: cast down to hell.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Hughes [mailto:gregh@bethanybeachcleaners.com]
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 8:16 PM
To:
Subject: RE: Hell
 

Hello All, 

I’ll begin with the word Sheol {grave, pit and hell} Hebrew שאול (shĕ'owl); here are ALL of the verses in the OT with this word; you will not read in any of these verses where it says “Subterranean retreat” or “inmates”:  

Lexicon Results for shĕ'owl (Strong's H7585)

Hebrew for H7585

שאול

Transliteration

shĕ'owl

Pronunciation

sheh·ole' (Key)

Part of Speech

feminine noun
 

Root Word (Etymology)

from H7592

TWOT Reference

2303c

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) sheol, underworld, grave, hell, pit

a) the underworld

b) Sheol - the OT designation for the abode of the dead

1) place of no return

2) without praise of God

3) wicked sent there for punishment

4) righteous not abandoned to it

5) of the place of exile (fig)

6) of extreme degradation in sin 

Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 65

AV grave 31, hell 31, pit 3

Gesenius's Lexicon (Help)

Concordance for shĕ'owl (KJV Strong's H7585)
Displayed in KJV Text

Strong's Number H7585 matches the Hebrew שאול (shĕ'owl)

 

Gen 37:35

 

 

And all his sons 01121 and all his daughters 01323 rose up 06965 to comfort 05162 him; but he refused 03985 to be comforted 05162 ; and he said 0559 , For I will go down 03381 into the grave 07585 unto my son 01121 mourning 057. Thus his father 01 wept 01058 for him.

 

 

Gen 42:38

 

And he said 0559 , My son 01121 shall not go down 03381 with you; for his brother 0251 is dead 04191 , and he is left 07604 alone: if mischief 0611 befall 07122 him by the way 01870 in the which ye go 03212 , then shall ye bring down 03381 my gray hairs 07872 with sorrow 03015 to the grave 07585.

 

Gen 4:29

 

And if ye take 03947 this also from 05973 me 06440, and mischief 0611 befall him 07136 , ye shall bring down 03381 my gray hairs 07872 with sorrow 07451 to the grave 07585.

 

Gen 44:31

 

It shall come to pass, when he seeth 07200 that the lad 05288 [is] not [with us], that he will die 04191 : and thy servants 05650 shall bring down 03381 the gray hairs 07872 of thy servant 05650 our father 01 with sorrow 03015 to the grave 07585.

 

Num 16:30
 

But if the LORD 03068 make 01254 a new thing 01278, and the earth 0127 open 06475 her mouth 06310, and swallow them up 01104 , with all that [appertain] unto them, and they go down 03381 quick 02416 into the pit 07585; then ye shall understand 03045 that these men 0582 have provoked 05006 the LORD 03068.

Num 16:33

 

They, and all that [appertained] to them, went down 03381 alive 02416 into the pit 07585, and the earth 0776 closed 03680 upon them: and they perished 06 from among 08432 the congregation 06951.

Deu 32:22

 

For a fire 0784 is kindled 06919 in mine anger 0639, and shall burn 03344 unto the lowest 08482 hell 07585, and shall consume 0398 the earth 0776 with her increase 02981, and set on fire 03857 the foundations 04144 of the mountains 02022.

1Sa 2:6

 

The LORD 03068 killeth 04191 , and maketh alive 02421 : he bringeth down 03381 to the grave 07585, and bringeth up 05927

 

2Sa 22:6

The sorrows 02256 of hell 07585 compassed me about 05437 ; the snares 04170 of death 04194 prevented 06923 me; 

1Ki 2:6

 

Do 06213 therefore according to thy wisdom 02451, and let not his hoar head 07872 go down 03381 to the grave 07585 in peace 07965.

 

 

1Ki 2:9

 

Now therefore hold him not guiltless 05352 : for thou [art] a wise 02450 man 0376, and knowest 03045 what thou oughtest to do 06213 unto him; but his hoar head 07872 bring thou down 03381 to the grave 07585 with blood 01818.

Job 7:9

[As] the cloud 06051 is consumed 03615 and vanisheth away 03212 : so he that goeth down 03381 to the grave 07585 shall come up 05927 no [more].

 

Job 11:8

[It is] as high 01363 as heaven 08064; what canst thou do 06466 ? deeper 06013 than hell 07585; what canst thou know 03045 ?

 

Job 14:13

O that 05414 thou wouldest hide 06845 me in the grave 07585, that thou wouldest keep me secret 05641 , until thy wrath 0639 be past 07725 , that thou wouldest appoint 07896 me a set time 02706, and remember 02142 me!

 

Job 17:13

If I wait 06960 , the grave 07585 [is] mine house 01004: I have made 07502 my bed 03326 in the darkness 02822.

Job 17:16

 

They shall go down 03381 to the bars 0905 of the pit 07585, when [our] rest 05183 together 03162 [is] in the dust 06083.

Job 21:13

 

They spend 03615 01086 their days 03117 in wealth 02896, and in a moment 07281 go down 02865 05181 to the grave 07585.

Job 24:19

 

Drought 06723 and heat 02527 consume 01497 the snow 07950 waters 04325: [so doth] the grave 07585 [those which] have sinned 02398 .

Job 26:6

Hell 07585 [is] naked 06174 before him, and destruction 011 hath no covering 03682.

 

Psa 6:5

For in death 04194 [there is] no remembrance 02143 of thee: in the grave 07585 who shall give thee thanks 03034 ? (KEY verse) 

 

Psa 9:17

The wicked 07563 shall be turned 07725 into hell 07585, [and] all the nations 01471 that forget 07913 God 0430.

 

Psa 16:10

For thou wilt not leave 05800 my soul 05315 in hell 07585; neither wilt thou suffer 05414 thine Holy One 02623 to see 07200 corruption 07845

 

Psa 18:5

The sorrows 02256 of hell 07585 compassed me about 05437 : the snares 04170 of death 04194 prevented 06923 me.

 

Psa 30:3

O LORD 03068, thou hast brought up 05927 my soul 05315 from the grave 07585: thou hast kept me alive 02421 , that I should not go down 03381 03381 to the pit 0953.

 

Psa 31:17

 

Let me not be ashamed 0954 , O LORD 03068; for I have called 07121 upon thee: let the wicked 07563 be ashamed 0954 , [and] let them be silent 01826 in the grave 07585.

 

Psa 49:14

Like sheep 06629 they are laid 08371 in the grave 07585; death 04194 shall feed 07462 on them; and the upright 03477 shall have dominion 07287 over them in the morning 01242; and their beauty 06697 06736 shall consume 01086 in the grave 07585 from their dwelling

 In conclusion:  NONE of these verses (in context or out) say anything about a “limbo”, “paradise”, “purgatory”, “awake”, “conscious”, “torment”, “pain”, “burning”,  etc...  No, they talk about - “silent”, “no remembrance” (or memory), “rest”, “my bed”, “peace.”  You will also read (shortly when I’ve got the time) the other two words for Hell (Gehenna and Hades) will be exactly the same.  Take all of these verses “in context” and apply them to what I’m teaching in the “entire” Bible: http://www.bethanybeachcleaners.com/allroadsleadtorome/new/what_is_hell.htm and you will come to the same conclusion as to what Jesus meant when He said, Lazarus is Sleeping = death (grave, hell and pit.)  Think about this:  Why would Lazarus want to come back from Paradise to live more years in a dusty, dirty place only to see his Savior crucified?  That would be kind of mean of Jesus unless Lazarus was unconscious, dead, sleeping….. and he could help further glorify Him before His crucifixion. Again, Paradise is in Heaven, i.e. the New Jerusalem where the tree of life abodes. The only one to go there (physically – not just in the spirit; e.g., Paul and John) is Jesus Christ, i.e., Christ has "become the first-fruits of them that are asleep" (v. 21). How could Lazarus go to Paradise (Heaven) BEFORE Jesus if He was the “first-fruits” of them that are “asleep” i.e., Lazarus was asleep before Jesus raised him from the grave?

 More later, 

Greg



 

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